MINUTES OF June 17, 2008 REGULAR MEETING of the Town of Rochester PLANNING BOARD, held at the Town Hall, Accord, NY.
Meeting was called to order at 7:00 PM by Chairman Tapper.
PRESENT: ABSENT:
Anthony Kawalchuk David O’Halloran
Shane Ricks, Vice Chair Don Dunn, Alternate Leon Smith
Anthony Ullman
Robert Rominger
Melvyn I. Tapper, Chairman
Pledge to the Flag.
Also present was Town consultant, Tim Moot, from Clark Patterson Lee and Planning Board Liaison, Councilman Cilenti.
NEW APPLICATION PRESENTATION
GEORGE & BETTY HAMILTON, c/o Paul Schade– Special Use Permit for 2 family dwelling on Hamilton Drive, Tax Map #76.2-2-6.6, ‘F’ District
Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Schade were present on behalf of their application.
Mr. Schade explained that he was Mr. Hamilton’s son in law and that he and his family would be occupying the addition which will make this house a 2-family.
Chairman Tapper asked what the dimensions of the existing house were.
Mr. Schade believed them to be 68’ long by 32’ and 24’ wide in different places.
Mr. Rominger questioned about the septic system.
Mr. Schade noted that Barry Medenbach, P.E. has been hired by them to redesign an addition to the existing system. He believes that has been submitted to the Ulster County Health Dept. and that they are currently working on revisions.
Mr. Rominger questioned if they would be expanding the driveway?
Mr. Schade stated that they weren’t proposing any expansion of the existing driveway.
Chairman Tapper advised the applicants that they would need to show the number of parking spaces on their site plan.
Mr. Schade noted that the proposed addition has a 2 car garage as well as the existing parking.
Mr. Ricks stated that there was a letter from Jerry Davis, Code Enforcement Officer dated March 21, 2008 addressed to Mary Lou Christiana, Esq., Town Attorney regarding the subdivision, Queens Village Estates II,
NEW APPLICATION PRESENTATION
GEORGE & BETTY HAMILTON, c/o Paul Schade(cont’d)– Special Use Permit for 2 family dwelling on Hamilton Drive, Tax Map #76.2-2-6.6, ‘F’ District
which this proposed 2 family house is in. Mr. Davis noted that there is a note on the subdivision map that states that “No more than on single family dwelling may be permitted on each lot.”
Mrs. Christiana responded to Mr. Davis via email dated May 20, 2008 stating that those notes on the map weren’t required by the Planning Board or by law, but rather they were restrictions placed upon the map by the subdivider. The Town does not have the authority to enforce something like that. While the property owner may be subject to action by the other property owners in the subdivision, so long as the Town’s Zoning Codes allows 2 family residences in the zone, which it does, the Town is not prohibited from issuing the proper permits and certificates, as the Town does not enforce private restrictions.
Mr. Ricks wanted the applicants to be sure that they understood this determination. The Town wasn’t responsible for enforcing that note which limited the lots in that subdivision to one dwelling per lot, but if the other owners in the subdivision decided to sue, they could.
Mr. Schade noted that they received the letter from the Code Enforcement Office and he does not feel that there is an issue. They are either related to, or know everyone that lives in the subdivision.
Mr. Ricks wanted to make clear that this wasn’t an issue with the Town, but possibly other residents could have issues down the road.
Mr. Hamilton stated that one of his neighbors is his son and Mr. & Mrs. Suzi, who are also neighbors have no problems with it.
The Board wanted to make sure that the applicants were fully aware of the situation and advised the applicants to seek an attorney to draw up some sort of a legal document that might be able to protect them from any potential issues from any other residents in the subdivision.
Mr. Schade noted that it was a good idea and couldn’t hurt.
Mr. Ullman questioned if Hamilton Drive was Town maintained?
Mr. Schade noted that it was a private road.
Chairman Tapper questioned the layout of the addition.
Mr. Schade noted that the 2 houses would have 6 bedrooms and 4 baths. They were actually turning one of the bedrooms into an office, so there would be 5 bedrooms all together.
Chairman Tapper explained to the Board that it was brought to his attention from Mr. Moot, Town Planner, that SEQRA was not required for a 2 family house. He also noted to the applicant that he should show the required amount of parking spaces for a 2 family residence on the site plan for the next meeting. He also advised the applicant that according to our code there was to be no off street parking for a 2 family dwelling.
NEW APPLICATION PRESENTATION
GEORGE & BETTY HAMILTON, c/o Paul Schade(cont’d)– Special Use Permit for 2 family dwelling on Hamilton Drive, Tax Map #76.2-2-6.6, ‘F’ District
At this time there was confusion regarding Section 140-36E(4) “The primary access to a multifamily dwelling shall not be a minor street serving primarily as access to single-family residential units, but shall be by means of a collector street, arterial street, county road or state highway or other street on which, in the opinion of the Planning Board, the traffic generated by such multifamily dwelling will not adversely affect existing or potential development in the area.”
Mr. Ullman interpreted this to mean that the 2 family dwelling would need to access Queens Highway and not Hamilton Drive, which is a private road.
Mr. Ricks noted that it is also in our Code that lots should access the least traveled road and that it was just logical that this 2 family dwelling would continue to access Hamilton Drive and not build another driveway out to Queens Highway. He was sure that the Highway Superintendent wouldn’t approve of this either. That would be putting a driveway parallel with Hamilton Drive coming out on to Queens Highway in a place where there was already poor sight distance.
Mr. Ullman noted that from a Code standpoint he didn’t see how the Board could not require a new access to Queens Highway for the 2 family dwelling.
After much more discussion regarding this, Mr. Schade recalled that the Code had distinctions between 2 family and Multi-family dwellings, and upon further examination, the Board agreed that Section 140-36E(4) referred specifically to Multi-family dwelling and not 2 family, therefore the access was fine the way it was and no additional driveways or research into this matter would be required.
Mr. Ricks motioned to schedule the Public Hearing for the July meeting seconded by Mr. Rominger. No discussion.
Vote:
Smith- Yes Ullman- Yes
O’Halloran- Absent Rominger- Yes
Ricks- Yes Tapper- Yes
Kawalchuk- Yes Dunn(alt.)- Absent
PUBLIC HEARING
MARY ROEHM c/o Mary Collins- subdivision approval for lot line adjustment in existing subdivision, Berme Road, 77.2-3-1.100, R-1, ‘F’ Zones
Mrs. Collins was present on behalf of the application.
Chairman Tapper noted that at the last meeting the Board advised the applicant to remove the house and septic location from the plan and later he recalled that the Board had told another applicant the opposite. And as this is an approved location by the Ulster County Health Dept. for lot 1, and to be consistent, the Chairman instructed the applicant to leave proposed house and septic location on the plan as this further shows that the Planning Board is not approving a change that would effect the potential buildable area of lot 1which is getting reduced in acreage by this adjustment. The applicant did not have a problem with this request.
PUBLIC HEARING
MARY ROEHM c/o Mary Collins (cont’d)- subdivision approval for lot line adjustment in existing subdivision, Berme Road, 77.2-3-1.100, R-1, ‘F’ Zones
At this time Chairman Tapper opened the hearing to the public.
Mrs. Collins noted that the reason for the lot line adjustment is to give the buyer of Mrs. Roehm’s adjoining parcel (lot 2) frontage on the Rondout Creek. The property on the other side of the Rondout is Camp Epworth. This property is accessed by a right-of-way off of Tow Path Road in High Falls. It is a previously approved subdivision by the Planning Board and this is why they are getting Planning Board approval for the lot line adjustment.
There was no public comment.
Mr. Smith motioned to close the Public Hearing. Seconded by Chairman Tapper. No discussion.
Vote:
Smith- Yes Ullman- Yes
O’Halloran- Absent Rominger- Yes
Ricks- Yes Tapper- Yes
Kawalchuk- Yes Dunn(alt.)- Absent
Mr. Ricks advised the applicant that the right-of-way for lots 1 and 2 over lands of Horst and then continuing over lot 2 to lot 1 needed to be labeled more clearly to show what they were intended to access and the metes and bounds needed to be shown. The Right to Farm note also needed to be put on the map.
The Board should be able to fill out Part 2 and finish up SEQRA and a make a decision at the next meeting pending the revisions to the plan.
NEW APPLICATION PRESENTATION
JOHN DAWSON– Special Use Permit for Flying Field in phase 3 of the Mount Laurel Estates Subdivision, Tax Map#60.1-2-3 & 2.1, ‘A’ District
Mr. Dawson was present on behalf of his application.
Chairman Tapper noted that there may be a couple of people present who may have some questions on this and even though it wasn’t a Public Hearing, after the Board has asked all the questions that they have, if someone from the public has questions on a topic that the Planning Board didn’t cover—it wouldn’t be a question and answer session, but he would let them voice their major concerns about it. If it takes a minute or two and that way if the Board hasn’t thought about it and someone from the public has that major concern, they will listen to it and they will address it at one of the following meetings or the applicant can.
Mr. Ricks questioned if Mr. Dawson was going to be landing on the roads in the subdivision?
Mr. Dawson stated that it is a road that was put in during the process of getting the subdivision approved. He had to prove that there was water for the lots, so he had to drill some test wells and he had to put in a road so a well rig could go in and drill wells. This is a grass field.
NEW APPLICATION PRESENTATION
JOHN DAWSON (cont’d)– Special Use Permit for Flying Field in phase 3 of the Mount Laurel Estates Subdivision, Tax Map#60.1-2-3 & 2.1, ‘A’ District
Chairman Tapper questioned if Mr. Dawson still intended to sell these lots off?
Mr. Dawson responded, that yes, he would probably retain a couple of them.
Chairman Tapper noted that 13, 14, 15, 18, & 19 were the ones that are all effected by that strip. Did he still intend to sell those lots off as residential? With the airfield as a right-of-way through them?
Mr. Dawson concurred that those were the lots in which the air field was proposed to go through. He continued that he was leaving it open to see what the economy was. There was a lot of land here and a lot of subdivision lots, maybe a couple years down the road he’d get back to phase 3. He’s sitting on phase 1 right now with a large chunk of money tied into that. Its going to be quite a few years before he thinks any development will go on back there. So, he wanted to be able to put in an airfield. It is still retained as one deed back there. Basically what everyone else told him to do was to cut the trees, plant grass and land there.
Mr. Ullman questioned if this would just be for Mr. Dawson’s use?
Mr. Dawson noted that it would be for him or for whoever owns that property there if he sold it. It’s private—it wouldn’t be public or commercial. You couldn’t have fuel there or night landing. There couldn’t be anything like that. He wanted it to be like what was on Airport Road, on Berme Road, like the one on Boice Mill Road.
Mr. Rominger questioned if it was strictly for the use of one owner?
Mr. Ullman questioned if it was for ultra lights.
Mr. Dawson stated that it was for single engine planes—small planes. Those aren’t called ultralights. The length of it is 1,500’. It only had to be 1,400’, but just to give it closure he made it 1,500’.
Mr. Rominger questioned if he was clearing further for going in and going out?
Mr. Dawson noted that he was not. On one side of him was State land and on the other was +/- 200 acres owned by Rick Gray. And the next building near is the Samsonville Church.
Mr. Ullman questioned if Mr. Dawson had State and Federal approvals?
Mr. Dawson stated that they weren’t needed. Only if he got into chartering flights letting someone else fly in and out or if he had fuel on site or something like that.
Mr. Moot noted that he only received this application yesterday and he is very intrigued by it, but doesn’t have any formal comments on it.
Chairman Tapper was sure that before anything went through that the Board would get any letters from any agencies that would be needed saying that approvals are or aren’t required.
NEW APPLICATION PRESENTATION
JOHN DAWSON (cont’d)– Special Use Permit for Flying Field in phase 3 of the Mount Laurel Estates Subdivision, Tax Map#60.1-2-3 & 2.1, ‘A’ District
Mr. Ullman stated that there was a whole section in the general business law that deals with airports and landing strips and what approvals are needed. It’s Section 240 and 249 of the New York State General Business Law (NYS GBL).
Mr. Dawson noted that this is an airfield not an airport.
Mr. Ullman stated that a landing field and an airstrip are the same things. He wasn’t talking about the Town Code, he was talking about Sections 240 and 249 of the NYS GBL, which has specific regulations that apply to both airports as defined and landing strips as defined. He thinks, but he’s not sure, but the definitions of a landing strip and airport as to what’s in that Code encompasses any type of landing strip that is used for—
Mr. Dawson interjected that those are considered public use. In all his research an airfield is an airfield. As soon as you add fuel or lights or black top, it’s a whole different category. This is no different than if a farmer wants to land in a field. It’s an airfield—its grass. If you chartered flights you’d need a whole other license. That would have to be an airport. Wurtsboro’s airport can’t even have charters. They can’t even have fuel.
Mr. Kawalchuk wanted to know if a helicopter could land on Mr. Dawson’s airfield?
Mr. Dawson noted that they’ve already given the right of the cul-de-sac for helicopter first aid and emergency rescue.
Mr. Rominger questioned how much was cleared already?
Mr. Dawson noted that the roads were cleared already. Basically he would take a couple more trees on the edges for the wingspan. Its already flat terrain. That’s how it was chosen. It’s high and dry.
Chairman Tapper questioned if no one could land on this except Mr. Dawson?
Mr. Dawson stated that if he was in the plane and landing there- fine, but if someone hired someone to bring them there, then you can’t. That’s called a charter.
Chairman Tapper clarified that if Mr. Dawson had a friend who had his own plane, he could fly in there?
Mr. Dawson stated yes. But no one could hire a plane there. It’s not allowed.
Chairman Tapper continued, that if one of the land owners around here wanted to fly in from New York, so he hires a plane to take him to his house, he couldn’t do that?
Mr. Dawson noted that if it was their plane and they owned on the strip, they could, but he couldn’t charter.
Chairman Tapper wanted to know who the field would benefit then?
Mr. Dawson stated that it benefited him or whoever owned the lots.
NEW APPLICATION PRESENTATION
JOHN DAWSON (cont’d)– Special Use Permit for Flying Field in phase 3 of the Mount Laurel Estates Subdivision, Tax Map#60.1-2-3 & 2.1, ‘A’ District
Mr. Ricks stated that if there is a need for that, people would buy a lot that they could put their own plane on and have a landing strip.
Mr. Rominger felt that if he happened to have a lot of friends who had their own planes, what would prevent Mr. Dawson from letting them land?
Mr. Dawson stated that there are other landing strips in the area and most people don’t prefer grass strips.
Chairman Tapper was still trying to understand this a little. Say Mr. Dawson sold lot 13 off –
Mr. Dawson noted that if whoever bought lot 13 wanted to have a plane and land it on the strip, he could.
Mr. Rominger questioned if these lots would have right-of-way over this airfield?
Mr. Dawson replied that right now its not, but if he were going to finish developing phase 3, yes, he’d have to do something like that.
Chairman Tapper noted that the whole subdivision has Conditional Preliminary Approval and only phase 1 has Final Approval, but the Conditional Preliminary Approval for the whole thing has had all of the engineering review and has been found to be satisfactory based on the previous application for the whole subdivision.
Mr. Dawson stated that it didn’t change anything with that. It’s only an acre and a half of disturbance and if it was done in two phases it wouldn’t trigger stormwater. It’s not an impervious surface, it would be grass.
Chairman Tapper still felt that there would need to be some sort of proof of that submitted that it wouldn’t effect any sort of drainage in the area.
Mr. Dawson noted that it wouldn’t as long as the one acre disturbance wasn’t triggered, which as he mentioned, if he did this in two phases he could avoid. Its grass. There’s no roof, no roads, it will stay the same that it is now.
Mr. Moot noted that basically Mr. Dawson would have to limit his earth disturbance to less than an acre. He agreed that doing it in two phases would be acceptable, but Mr. Dawson would really need to define his actions on the two phases—he would need to address what actions would be taking place in each phase.
Chairman Tapper wanted to know how you did the airstrip in two phases? Didn’t you need the whole airstrip in order to land a plane?
Mr. Dawson noted that with the way the economy was, that he probably wouldn’t even have a plane for a couple of years, so it wouldn’t matter if it took two phases to complete. It could be done in phases in the number of seasons, once it was established and grown he could do the other half.
Mr. Moot questioned if this whole parcel was part of phase 3 of the Mount Laurel Estates subdivision?
NEW APPLICATION PRESENTATION
JOHN DAWSON (cont’d)– Special Use Permit for Flying Field in phase 3 of the Mount Laurel Estates Subdivision, Tax Map#60.1-2-3 & 2.1, ‘A’ District
Mr. Dawson noted that he may opt not to develop phase 3 and keep the whole thing for himself depending on what the economy does. He was still looking a few years down the road if phase 3 was going to be developed at all.
Mr. Ricks questioned how many lots were sold right now?
Mr. Dawson noted that just the one that was split off that didn’t require subdivision approval. He hasn’t sold any of the other ones yet. After all the engineering and all the years he had into getting them done and approved, he can’t give them away. On the market you can buy lots all around Town cheaper than these are priced. He needs to at least recoup his money that he has into them.
Chairman Tapper wanted to know if he couldn’t charge anyone to land there, how was he going to recoup his money?
Mr. Dawson noted that it’s always been his plan to build every home up in that subdivision, hopefully it will be. All green, solar homes. But he doesn’t see any break in the economy.
Mr. Rominger wanted to know if these lots were already designated—and have Conditional Preliminary Approval, so this is how they’d be laid out? So, his question was if he’d have to have the right-of-ways indicated before it was built?
Mr. Dawson stated that would be his intention.
Mr. Ricks noted that he’d have to come in and get a metes and bounds description to be shown on each lot effected.
Mr. Moot questioned about prevailing winds?
Mr. Dawson noted that has been all checked out. He had the guy who laid it out for him fly him over the property with a plane and took aerial photographs. They laid out the path and laid the land out. It takes off on the edge of a hill, if you look at the topography and it takes off on the beginning of a hill, so it drops off on both ends. On one end is Rick Gray’s land which is all open. It’s highly unlikely that there’d be any landings except for 3-4 times a year because you can only do this in the summer. It’s just a recreational thing. It’s seasonal just like boating. It’s not like it’s a major form of transportation.
Mr. Smith questioned if it would effect where those houses would have to go on the lots in the subdivision?
Mr. Dawson answered sort of. The Health Dept really determines where the house will go when they go through the septic approval process.
Mr. Moot was looking at lot 4, which was at the end of the strip.
NEW APPLICATION PRESENTATION
JOHN DAWSON (cont’d)– Special Use Permit for Flying Field in phase 3 of the Mount Laurel Estates Subdivision, Tax Map#60.1-2-3 & 2.1, ‘A’ District
Mr. Dawson noted that lot for was already laid out with the septic location at the far end of the lot. It drops off pretty steep to the right there. The plane would be already in the air by the time it reached it.
Mr. Ricks noted that they wouldn’t want to have the house laid out where the planes would be taking off right over it.
Mr. Dawson agreed and stated that it wouldn’t.
Mr. Rominger felt that would be Mr. Dawson’s problem if the lot didn’t sell because of that reason.
Mr. Ricks noted that Mr. Dawson needed to bring in the proof that an airfield like this was permitted. Some documentation in writing submitted to the Planning Board and they’d need to hear from the neighbors and see what comes up from that point.
Mr. Ullman stated that the agencies that should be contacted are the State DOT and the FAA. Section 249 in the NYS GBL would be informative for Mr. Dawson.
Mr. Dawson noted that he doesn’t have fuel or night flying or chartered flights.
Mr. Ricks noted that anyone that owned their own plane and kept it on their lot in a hanger or what not would have to have fuel there or have it delivered to their place. You’re not going to take a trip somewhere and find out that now you’re empty and not be able to fill it up.
Mr. Dawson noted that even when they take off at Wurtsboro, they take off and then fly to Ellenville and land and get it there. Airplane fuel isn’t something that you want sitting around. Everyone that he knows does that. They take off from wherever they are and land in Ellenville and fuel up and take off again from there. Whenever he flies and he flies a lot, he takes off out of Wurtsboro, they fly to Ellenville, fuel up and before they go back and land in Wurtsboro, they do the same thing.
Chairman Tapper wanted to know if Wurtsboro had to do charter flights for taking the hangliders up? That was obviously commercial.
Mr. Dawson noted that it wasn’t chartered, it was tours. That’s what he goes up as at $125 an hour.
Mr. Ricks noted that the new airport that they put along the Thruway in New Paltz with all the hangers was a club that did that. Then the club members had so many shares in the club and were able to put up there own buildings. He thought they had a lot of special design planes and a lot of elaborate things.
Mr. Moot questioned what type of emergency access he’d have? Was this a pretty good passable road (Dawson Lane)?
Mr. Dawson noted that he’s already got letters from the Sheriffs, Troopers, and First Aid Squad on the road.
NEW APPLICATION PRESENTATION
JOHN DAWSON (cont’d)– Special Use Permit for Flying Field in phase 3 of the Mount Laurel Estates Subdivision, Tax Map#60.1-2-3 & 2.1, ‘A’ District
Mr. Moot wanted to know how wide the strip would be again.
Mr. Dawson responded that it would be 50’ of flat area and 90’ of no trees. They took 3 well rig trucks up there through it. So, it would be 50’ driveable and 90’ wide of trees. He continued that it pretty much looked like the subdivision road. That’s where the idea came from. He was just going to land on the road, but there’s houses down there.
Chairman Tapper noted that because of the proximity to the Town of Olive, the Board would have to give them notice of the application along with the Ulster County Planning Board (UCPB).
Mr. Dawson noted that there used to be a landing strip very close to this property in the Town of Olive.
Chairman Tapper was wondering if the Board wanted the Planner, Mr. Moot, to review this application.
Mr. Ricks thought that there would be some technicalities that come up that should probably be looked at.
The consensus of the Board was to have the Town Planner to review it.
Chairman Tapper asked if there were any other questions from the Board.
Mr. Smith wanted to know if Mr. Dawson was going to supply the Board with the information that there was no Federal review necessary?
Mr. Rominger stated that yes, Mr. Dawson would and the Board was going to have the Planner check on the Board’s end.
Chairman Tapper reiterated that they wanted info from the FAA, DOT, and the Board wouldn’t do anything with SEQRA or notifying UCPB or the Town of Olive until they received a more complete application and the Planner found the application complete enough to go out.
Chairman Tapper then asked the public for any brief questions they may have. The Board is extending this as a courtesy for concerns.
Paul Champenier wanted to know when the Public Hearing would be held.
Chairman Tapper noted that it definitely wouldn’t be for the July meeting. Mr. Champenier was a bounding owner, so he would get notified by the Town when the Public Hearing was scheduled.
Mr. Champenier stated that he wanted to stop the process.
Chairman Tapper noted that he couldn’t do that.
NEW APPLICATION PRESENTATION
JOHN DAWSON (cont’d)– Special Use Permit for Flying Field in phase 3 of the Mount Laurel Estates Subdivision, Tax Map#60.1-2-3 & 2.1, ‘A’ District
Ruth Bendelius came from a flying family who had been flying for years and 1,500’ was marginal. She also felt that the Town should consider how Homeland Security sat with this application.
Michael Baden was curious if there would be a hanger there.
Mr. Dawson stated that there would not.
Mr. Ricks was sure that people could put private ones up.
Mr. Dawson stated that that was a possibility for private ones, but he wasn’t building one in conjunction with the air field.
Chairman Tapper reiterated that it would have to be any of the property owners adjoining the runway, so someone from lot #2 couldn’t.
Mr. Ricks noted that they wouldn’t be able to drive their plane down the road to get to their house.
Mr. Smith felt it could be part of the subdivision restrictions.
Mr. Moot noted that right now this is considered as part of the entire parcel, so right now it would just be a physical feature within the bounds of an entire parcel, however when these lots go into play, then the Board would have to pretty much define this runway as an entity and relate this entity to those lots.
Mr. Dawson stated that this was correct, but that was at least—if the economy turned around tomorrow—
it would be about 2 years down the road. Realistically he sees this happening 5 years down the road.
Mr. Smith understood it as the Board would be approving a landing strip on just a big piece of acreage.
Mr. Moot noted that yes, the question is how this runway would come in to play with phases 2 & 3 of the subdivision.
Mr. Dawson questioned if the Board has seen Via Pioli Airport on Via Pioli Road. It was like a ski slope. It was lucky if there was 1,200’.
Chairman Tapper passes the one on Lucas Avenue all of the time.
Mrs. Bendilius noted that Via Pioli was done years and years and years ago. If they came in today to get it approved, she thought they’d have a pretty hard time.
Chairman Tapper noted that they’d continue the discussion and review next time.
ACTION ON MINUTES
Mr. Ricks made a motion to accept March 25, 2008 minutes.
Mr. Ullman recalled that those were the ones where they interviewed the potential planners and the Chairman wanted the Board to re-read them and see if they wanted to revise them. He didn’t think they could do that.
Secretary, Mrs. Paddock Stange, agreed. They didn’t go into executive session and those things were what was said at the meeting.
Chairman Tapper just wasn’t sure if they wanted them discussing the applicants and their opinions being part of public record.
Mr. Rominger felt that they were pretty objective in their comments and opinions.
Mr. Ricks reiterated his motion to accept the March 25, 2008 minutes. Seconded by Mr. Ullman.
Vote:
Smith- Yes Ullman- Yes
O’Halloran- Absent Rominger- Yes
Ricks- Yes Tapper- No
Kawalchuk- Yes Dunn(alt.)- Absent
Mr. Smith motioned to accept the minutes from the May 20, 2008 meeting. Seconded by Mr. Rominger. No discussion.
Vote:
Smith- Yes Ullman- Yes
O’Halloran- Absent Rominger- Yes
Ricks- Yes Tapper- Yes
Kawalchuk- Yes Dunn(alt.)- Absent
OTHER MATTERS
Chairman Tapper noted that he has a call into Mary Lou Christiana, Esq., Town Attorney, to get her legal opinion on when to use the Alternate. There have been many discrepancies in the past about this. He left a message and is waiting to hear from her.
Chairman Tapper noted that the official word on trainings is that they are determined by the Town Board, not the PB or ZBA Chairman as they were in the past.
Councilman Cilenti was in the audience and noted that the Town Board was working on updating the local law to coincide with the State Law.
Mr. Ricks motioned to adjourn the meeting. Seconded by Mr. Ullman. All members present in favor.
As there was no further business, at 8:50PM, Chairman Tapper adjourned the meeting.
Respectfully submitted,
Rebecca Paddock Stange, Secretary